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	<description>Walter Roth &#38; Integrating Intersections ...</description>
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		<title>Comment on Part I-V Atlas Shrugged (THE CLIMAX OF THE D&#8217;ANCONIAS) by T. Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>T. Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 08:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That passage is like mind sex!  Love it!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Recap of Part I-V:  The Climax of the D&#8217;Anconias by Stella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 17:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For everyone who is interested: a lecture at Stanford about Ayn Rand's Morality of Selfishness on Tuesday, September 28. For more information see the event calender of Stanford.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For everyone who is interested: a lecture at Stanford about Ayn Rand&#8217;s Morality of Selfishness on Tuesday, September 28. For more information see the event calender of Stanford.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Part I-I (The Theme) Ad Hoc Atlas Shrugged Book Club (Ayn Rand) by Walter R. Roth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walter R. Roth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 21:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome Jack!  I laugh every time I think of Ayn Rand asking people how often they read her book, not just if they read it at all.

I'd say its one of the only books I've read where I knew the first time I read it that I'd be back and would probably gain just as much from rereading it as I did reading it the first time.

The only other book that I can think of like this is Joseph Campbell's Power of Myth.  Very different, but, in a way, very similar. The Hero's path, who goes forth into the deep dark forest regardless of ridicule and risk ... to return back with new knowledge, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome Jack!  I laugh every time I think of Ayn Rand asking people how often they read her book, not just if they read it at all.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say its one of the only books I&#8217;ve read where I knew the first time I read it that I&#8217;d be back and would probably gain just as much from rereading it as I did reading it the first time.</p>
<p>The only other book that I can think of like this is Joseph Campbell&#8217;s Power of Myth.  Very different, but, in a way, very similar. The Hero&#8217;s path, who goes forth into the deep dark forest regardless of ridicule and risk &#8230; to return back with new knowledge, etc.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Recap of Part I-V:  The Climax of the D&#8217;Anconias by T. Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>T. Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 06:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's Rand's atheism coming through and her disdain of the falsely shared belief of heaven (false because it can't be proven via logic/scientific method).  But if Rand could have a heaven, it would only be admissible of people who pursue making money.  I can't spoil the story for those who might not have read the book, but later on, Dagny will find heaven on earth.

When I first read the book, I was very annoyed by Francisco's constant reminder about "checking your premises" but after reading and, especially, watching the interviews on youtube, of Rand, I understand more of what Francisco was talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s Rand&#8217;s atheism coming through and her disdain of the falsely shared belief of heaven (false because it can&#8217;t be proven via logic/scientific method).  But if Rand could have a heaven, it would only be admissible of people who pursue making money.  I can&#8217;t spoil the story for those who might not have read the book, but later on, Dagny will find heaven on earth.</p>
<p>When I first read the book, I was very annoyed by Francisco&#8217;s constant reminder about &#8220;checking your premises&#8221; but after reading and, especially, watching the interviews on youtube, of Rand, I understand more of what Francisco was talking about.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Part I-I (The Theme) Ad Hoc Atlas Shrugged Book Club (Ayn Rand) by Jack Hayek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Hayek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 05:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi everyone. Most of you don't know me, but might think that my name sounds familiar. That's because I'm Bruce's Dad. As I told Walter, I recently finished my fifth (or was it sixth) reading of "Atlas".  I Understand that Ms. Rand would often ask new aquaintences how often they had read it. I still find it difficult in some places, so don't feel bad if this is your first go and you have to re-read some of it. It took her two years just to write his speach. 
As you read it you might think to youself, "This is not how her heros act in the real world."  Fortunately, there are some that do. Unfortunately, their are all to many that behave as her villians do. In any case, they are only the foundation to carry her philosopy, objectivism, which is the soul of the story. Enjoy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi everyone. Most of you don&#8217;t know me, but might think that my name sounds familiar. That&#8217;s because I&#8217;m Bruce&#8217;s Dad. As I told Walter, I recently finished my fifth (or was it sixth) reading of &#8220;Atlas&#8221;.  I Understand that Ms. Rand would often ask new aquaintences how often they had read it. I still find it difficult in some places, so don&#8217;t feel bad if this is your first go and you have to re-read some of it. It took her two years just to write his speach.<br />
As you read it you might think to youself, &#8220;This is not how her heros act in the real world.&#8221;  Fortunately, there are some that do. Unfortunately, their are all to many that behave as her villians do. In any case, they are only the foundation to carry her philosopy, objectivism, which is the soul of the story. Enjoy!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Recap of Part I-V:  The Climax of the D&#8217;Anconias by Walter R. Roth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walter R. Roth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 07:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been told there are people that create energy and those that consume energy in most any type of venture.  Unfortunately, I think many of the people running the government are the types that take energy out of a system.  Those that create it often times seek other means to drive meaningful change in the world.

I find it interesting to ponder, that at the very same moment we are reading this book and discussing its philosophical points on this blog, there are masses of people, many of them students in the most formative time of their intellectual careers, being armed with counter measures to honoring the creation of value.  An anthem of sorts that sounds strong if enough people are saying it, and enough laws enforcing it.  Jim displays this  mindless self-righteous aggression best:

--- Book Quote ----

Jim was approaching his senior year in a college in New York. His studies had given him a manner of odd, quavering belligerence, as if he had found a new weapon. He addressed Francisco once, without provocation, stopping him in the middle of the lawn to say in a tone of aggressive self-righteousness:

"I think that now that you've reached college age, you ought to learn something about ideals. It's time to forget your selfish greed and give some thought to your social responsibilities, because I think that all those millions you're going to inherit are not for your personal pleasure, they are a trust for the benefit of the underprivileged and the poor, because I think that the person who doesn't realize this is the most depraved type of human being."

Francisco answered courteously, "It is not advisable, James, to venture unsolicited opinions. You should spare yourself the embarrassing discovery of their exact value to your listener."

--- Book Quote ---</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been told there are people that create energy and those that consume energy in most any type of venture.  Unfortunately, I think many of the people running the government are the types that take energy out of a system.  Those that create it often times seek other means to drive meaningful change in the world.</p>
<p>I find it interesting to ponder, that at the very same moment we are reading this book and discussing its philosophical points on this blog, there are masses of people, many of them students in the most formative time of their intellectual careers, being armed with counter measures to honoring the creation of value.  An anthem of sorts that sounds strong if enough people are saying it, and enough laws enforcing it.  Jim displays this  mindless self-righteous aggression best:</p>
<p>&#8212; Book Quote &#8212;-</p>
<p>Jim was approaching his senior year in a college in New York. His studies had given him a manner of odd, quavering belligerence, as if he had found a new weapon. He addressed Francisco once, without provocation, stopping him in the middle of the lawn to say in a tone of aggressive self-righteousness:</p>
<p>&#8220;I think that now that you&#8217;ve reached college age, you ought to learn something about ideals. It&#8217;s time to forget your selfish greed and give some thought to your social responsibilities, because I think that all those millions you&#8217;re going to inherit are not for your personal pleasure, they are a trust for the benefit of the underprivileged and the poor, because I think that the person who doesn&#8217;t realize this is the most depraved type of human being.&#8221;</p>
<p>Francisco answered courteously, &#8220;It is not advisable, James, to venture unsolicited opinions. You should spare yourself the embarrassing discovery of their exact value to your listener.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8212; Book Quote &#8212;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Recap of Part I-V:  The Climax of the D&#8217;Anconias by Bruce.Hayek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce.Hayek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 20:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Barry.  I wasn't actually trying to analyze,
more to just give a recap of things that might be
interesting to comment on, but I guess even in doing
that I reveal my thinking  :-)

Here are a couple of observations that I made
personally:

Francisco comments to Dagny don't sound as if
he doesn't care any longer about business.  He keeps
saying things like "have you checked your premises"
and "given what you know, you might be right".  Would
he really have put that much thought into these things
if he was so carefree and unconcerned with money or
the perception of his behavior?

As far as the philosophical points, the idea of money-making
as a virtue is one that resonates really strongly for me.  I think
about how businessman are almost always portrayed by
hollywood (as evil money-lovers who will do anything for a 
profit), or by the media, and there seems to be a lack of 
recognition that, for the most part, you don't make money
without providing some value.  There are obviously exceptions,
but I don't understand why the exceptions are what people tend
to focus on.   My personal prejudice is that the Kenneth Lay's of
the world are in the minority, but they are all you hear about, while
the quiet and less flamboyant and abusive CEOs are by and large
ignored, despite being more important.  

I don't go as far as Rand in thinking that dedicating everything to 
your business is the height of virtue, but I do believe that having 
a strong drive to provide a value and recieve a value in return (money)
 is by and large a good thing and what lifts the quality of life for 
civilization as a whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Barry.  I wasn&#8217;t actually trying to analyze,<br />
more to just give a recap of things that might be<br />
interesting to comment on, but I guess even in doing<br />
that I reveal my thinking  <img src='http://www.walterroth.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Here are a couple of observations that I made<br />
personally:</p>
<p>Francisco comments to Dagny don&#8217;t sound as if<br />
he doesn&#8217;t care any longer about business.  He keeps<br />
saying things like &#8220;have you checked your premises&#8221;<br />
and &#8220;given what you know, you might be right&#8221;.  Would<br />
he really have put that much thought into these things<br />
if he was so carefree and unconcerned with money or<br />
the perception of his behavior?</p>
<p>As far as the philosophical points, the idea of money-making<br />
as a virtue is one that resonates really strongly for me.  I think<br />
about how businessman are almost always portrayed by<br />
hollywood (as evil money-lovers who will do anything for a<br />
profit), or by the media, and there seems to be a lack of<br />
recognition that, for the most part, you don&#8217;t make money<br />
without providing some value.  There are obviously exceptions,<br />
but I don&#8217;t understand why the exceptions are what people tend<br />
to focus on.   My personal prejudice is that the Kenneth Lay&#8217;s of<br />
the world are in the minority, but they are all you hear about, while<br />
the quiet and less flamboyant and abusive CEOs are by and large<br />
ignored, despite being more important.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t go as far as Rand in thinking that dedicating everything to<br />
your business is the height of virtue, but I do believe that having<br />
a strong drive to provide a value and recieve a value in return (money)<br />
 is by and large a good thing and what lifts the quality of life for<br />
civilization as a whole.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Recap of Part I-V:  The Climax of the D&#8217;Anconias by Barry Weinman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry Weinman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent analysis of this chapter. Sort of wish our current clowns in charge of our government had the brains to understand this chapter but thats not going to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent analysis of this chapter. Sort of wish our current clowns in charge of our government had the brains to understand this chapter but thats not going to happen.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Part I - III Atlas Shrugged (The Top and The Bottom) by Walter R. Roth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walter R. Roth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 02:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh the f'n moochers!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Part I - IV Atlas Shrugged (THE IMMOVABLE MOVERS) by Greg Chadwick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Chadwick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 02:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi All,

In response to Stellas #5: 
"Politics: Capitalism stands for a government whose only function is to protect man from those who initiate the use of physical force. I am looking forward to her ideas of how a society should deal with people who are poor, unemployed, sick and so on."

Having not read AS before, I am interested as well.  
I would offer that it is everyones responsibility to take care of those in their communities who have fallen ill or on hard times.  This can be accomplished individually, thru charitable organizations or thru communities of faith.  Government intervention thru regulation/taxation in these matters have consequences both seen and unanticipated (see Clarks - minimum wage and FDA comments).  In many cases, the intervention itself does more harm that good.
Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi All,</p>
<p>In response to Stellas #5:<br />
&#8220;Politics: Capitalism stands for a government whose only function is to protect man from those who initiate the use of physical force. I am looking forward to her ideas of how a society should deal with people who are poor, unemployed, sick and so on.&#8221;</p>
<p>Having not read AS before, I am interested as well.<br />
I would offer that it is everyones responsibility to take care of those in their communities who have fallen ill or on hard times.  This can be accomplished individually, thru charitable organizations or thru communities of faith.  Government intervention thru regulation/taxation in these matters have consequences both seen and unanticipated (see Clarks - minimum wage and FDA comments).  In many cases, the intervention itself does more harm that good.<br />
Cheers!</p>
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